Thursday, July 07, 2005

Blogging Riddle

Q: What do you call someone who thinks Loeb, Rucka, and Johns are great superhero writers but doesn't like Morrison or Kirby?

A: An idiot.

20 Love Letters:

Blogger Kevin Church said...

Next time I see you, I may kiss you.

With tongue.

But I ain't gay or anything. Got it?

11:10 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I enjoyed this riddle.

11:28 PM

Blogger Joe Rice said...

I am like a Sphinx, except my nose isn't falling off.

11:36 PM

Blogger Pól Rua said...

I hate Marion Morrisson and that creepy flying blob video game thing... does that count?

12:04 AM

Blogger Chris Hunter said...

BASTARD! I told you that in private!

2:30 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't that pretty much every online comics "fan?"

1:06 PM

Blogger Joe Rice said...

No, just the especially dumb ones. Unless you go to a message board, in which case you get what you deserve.

1:08 PM

Blogger Jake said...

I'm really having trouble believing that such a person actually exists. I mean, yeah, there are complete fucking tools that dislike Morrison for whatever reason, I've accepted that. But to dislike Kirby? That's like being a christian yet not being a fan of Jesus.

3:39 PM

Blogger Joe Rice said...

Even our precious blogworld is not safe from tasteless buffoons high on hack watchmen crack.

8:41 PM

Blogger Jake said...

I want to fight these people.

8:56 PM

Blogger N said...

Rucka is a fantastic normal human noir / crime writer, in my opinion. I liked his Wolverine, because he made it basically justa tough-guy detective story. I know he's tried Superman --- is it not very good?

I hate every word I've ever read of Loeb.

Geoff Johns has his good points (complexity of plot and a firm grasp on continuity) and bad points (ludicrous hyperbole and over the top situations).

10:25 PM

Blogger Joe Rice said...

Rucka lost all credit to me with his dull-as-dishwashing Gotham Central arcs.

And "a firm grasp of continuity" is about an important quality in a good writer as "hair doesn't light on fire."

Talented men, no doubt. Nice, I'm certain. Track record of good comics? Not a chance.

9:01 AM

Blogger Eliot Johnson said...

I'll defend "Half a Life" to you 'til the day I die, Joe. That was a good, moving story. The rest of Rucka's arcs? Yeah, they get a big "eh," but "Half a Life" is still my favorite Gotham Cental arc.

And his Queen & Country stuff is really good, too. It's hard to imagine it's the same guy that writes the drek that he does for DC, but, trust me, Queen & Country is good. Whiteout's a nice little book, too.

Basically, Rucka and Winick wrote good things for Oni and then DC made them suck.

Despite that quasi-defense of Rucka, it boggles my mind that anyone could think he's better than Morrison or Kirby.

12:44 PM

Blogger Joe Rice said...

Half-A-Life was, I guess, an interesting study about a woman coming out of the closet. Unfortunately, it ran in a police procedural book featuring (usually) a full cast of characters. If the title was "Renee Montoya's Life and Some of her Friends," I'd have no problem with it. I probably wouldn't read it, but it wouldn't have irked me.

1:09 PM

Blogger N said...

And "a firm grasp of continuity" is about an important quality in a good writer as "hair doesn't light on fire."

For a writer? Of course it's irrelevant. For a comic writer? Well, I'd have to strongly disagree with you, and though I don't know you, I suspect that you don't 100% believe that either. Super hero comic books are in large part about continuity. Sure, we can enjoy the Batman of the JLA who can take out Martians and hop to Pluto and commander alien vessels and we can also enjoy the street Batman who fistfights with muggers and plays detective in "noir" stories, and we understand that these are two different characters, essentially, and we don't care, because each story is good. But, I think most would admit that there's great charm in writers bringing back old characters, referring to old stories, and building on past adventures. I'm no huge Geoff fan, but I do smile the way he gets his mitts all over the DCU and has such an extensive knowledge of the characters and history. Really, don't you?

6:44 PM

Blogger Brad Curran said...

Having read Joe's stuff for awhile , I'll commit the fauz pas of speaking for him and hazard a guess of no.

9:16 PM

Blogger Joe Rice said...

Brad is right. I 100% don't believe that "continuity" is something a comic writer needs to know and love. I think it's a bullshit belief that's been shoved down readers' throats since the 80s or so, which is coincidentally when Roy Thomas started "Continuity As Story" crap that Geoff Johns so lovingly fellates in every fucking book he writes.

It doesn't make me smile. It makes me want to piss on the damn comics.

FUCK continuity. If I gave a shit about minutae of what each character did at each moment, well, I'd probably chop my dick off and eat it.

10:14 PM

Blogger Eliot Johnson said...

Well as much as I hate to disagree with a guy who just said "Fuck Continuity" 'cause I whole-heartedly agree with that, I still think that "Half a Life" works, even within the confines of Gotham Central.

At this point, Rucka hasn't gone on to write every single one of his arcs about her, so I say it's okay for once. Further, it does feature a interesting, character driven cop story with a Gotham twist (and THAT, to me, is what Gotham Central should be) in there too (one that Cris is also heavily featured in).

Basically what I'm say is that it was okay to focus on Renee for a few issues (what...four or five?), especially when it's not quite a full focus and when it's such a great story. Do it more than once? Then we have a problem (i.e. every other Rucka arc).

5:25 PM

Blogger Joe Rice said...

I'd have forgiven everything if, at any point, he gave me ONE reason to give a shit other than "YOU NEED TO GIVE A SHIT!!!!"

2:18 AM

Blogger Eliot Johnson said...

Maybe I just related to the story, then--The whole "forbidden relationship" idea. I guess that's what got me.

7:03 AM


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